How Vw's gearbox technology is killing them and Every car maker? DCT | DSG
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- Опубликовано: 27 июн 2023
- Most of us Indians love manual cars, but some others prefer automatic cars as well.
Those who prefer manual over automatic, prefer these because of the fun and adrenaline rush these car provides whereas in India for a long time, automatic gearboxes were considered to be sluggish and boring
However, things have vastly changed now, automatics like torque converters and dct are serving enthusiasts in the petrolheads community
But with DCT transmission there is one big catch and that is related to its reliability issues
and in this video, we will discover exactly what is wrong with this gearbox and why there are so many recalls going on all around the world of the cars installed with this gearbox
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TC - problem energy loss (low mileage)
DCT - problem design complexity
CVT - problem belt issues
MT - problem leg pain
problems will be there with every technology. the question would be which technology (TC,DCT,CVT) is easy to fix . less complicated and light on pocket .
In that case include IMT as well😂
I drive MT but never had leg problems because I never keep my legs around clutch I drive like legend 😎
@@raoraghTC system is quite reliable
The CVT in honda city is good for me
I have a 7 speed DSG Octavia and a 6 speed DSG Skoda Laura. The transmission has been changed 3 times in the combined usage of 1 lakh km between the 2 cars. Each time the cost of replacement is greater than 1.5 Lakh rupees. Your analysis of this problem is perfect. The cost of spare parts in VW & Skoda is ridiculously high. I think they are not serious about staying in India just like GM & Ford.
If this is called a reliability of German brands, then what is the joke?😀
These are just imperfect cars sold in India just to make a profit they honestly dont care of service after selling the car
the cost is high because that gear came frm europe.....DSG is a addiction
@@vasant.talpada well germans are reliable n worth every peny 2016 rapid n honda city compare thm u find germans old school less on bells n gimics bt when they drive they are the best .....
@@vasant.talpada Reliability of German cars in Indian conditions is a joke. The ceiling upholstery of ALL premium German cars fail in 5 years . I have 3 such experiences. The company quotes 45K for each repair. The lens on the headlight becomes opaque in 5 years and each headlight costs 25K to replace. I have replaced 4 already. Like I said, the VW / Skoda group have a flawed spare parts pricing policy over and above their quality issues.
Maruti, Hyundai, and Toyota are more reliable products and exceedingly cheaper to maintain. VW / Skoda has sold till now on their perceived safety attributes. Soon customers will start getting heart attacks due to VW / Skoda repair bills.
Hence : manuals are best
But manual is a tiring task in city bumper to bumper traffic nowadays
Manual is worst
@@L0N3w01f3o yeah u r right bro, it make a driver tired soon in city day to day traffic
@@L0N3w01f3o no cars mai sabse pehle manual hi aya tha 💪💪
Try driving Altroz DCA bro it's butter smooth
I went to a Tata showroom, surprisingly he told us straight up that DCTs are very advanced but can have reliability issues.
gap chaavtoy
honda uses cvt technology not dct
@@achintyabhardwaz916 bhau tata vaach na
Which gearbox tata use? Which is best for Indian cities?
That is why I was surprised they did not go with CVT. Maybe engine constraints as that NA engine is very lethargic.
This guy really should start his engineering course. These video are more and more amazing. You had started from Indian Car channel to engineering explainer. Appriciate your efforts man.
Everything is available online these days. Nothing special.
No offence but you sound like a typical Indian Uncle...
I am really happy that *_VW_* has recently launched it's *_Virtus GT_* with a 6-speed manual gearbox... it's a good step which shows that they listen to their customers😊
It's a 6 speed manual and they launched it because Hyundai launched the Verna 1.5 turbo with a manual. VW already had the manual for their 1.5tsi engine since Slavia has it as well but didn't want to give it to Virtus GT to make it more "premium".
@@yoaashay oh right!!😁... it's a 6-speed manual, let me correct it 👍
7 Speed DSG and 6 Speed Manual, I have manual one
You do realise that it was available on the taigun, kushaq and the slavia for the longest right? VW decided to launch it only because they knew the Verna 1.5 was going to shake up the segment (which it has). Wouldn’t give them too much credit.
@@6ixTacos I know ki VW ke paas 6-speed manual gearbox pehle tha aur apni kai saari gaadiyon mein dete bhi hain...mein yeh keh raha hu ki "virtus gt" mujhe sabse zyada pasand thi humesha se bas uska DSG gearbox mere liye ek negetive point tha...ab jo ki VW ne virtus gt mein bhi manual gearbox de diya hain so I will definitely buy it soon.
Can't appreciate enough about how entertaining, informative your videos are..
The amount of research goes into it is totally seen in your videos.
Popcorn stuff these videos are and best automotive channel by a million miles.
Have been using VW POLO DSG for 10 years now. Almost 145,000 KMS run, always serviced regularly and never Had a single problem. It all comes down to how well you take care of your car and yes, I've abused it at times by constant revs and abrupt speeds.
Useless blabbering...i have the same & serviced at regular intervals..9 years old...4 times failure...
It's not about service...most of the Volkswagen owners service on time for the first 5 years..
It's not about simply service at regular schedule
Tell that to people who've been having issues in 15 day old car.
Issue with machines are common, there is a game of small numbers also.
There are fewer people who buy VW cars in India and hence when problems arise they sound like everyone is facing these issues.
U have driven 1.5 Lacs in 10 Year and you are bragging reliability
Lol, who's bragging. Was just my experience with the car @@ancusindiagaminglab5613
Absolutely love watching your videos, you put immense efforts in making them. I hope many more people subscribe you. All the best.
Heard DCT a lot when altroz lanched with this gear box and finally leanred completely about DCT after your brilent video..thank you
Great video ! torque converters are also used in CVT gear boxes.The torque converter is configured with an ATF and along with working like a clutch, is an important vehicle part for increasing torque and transferring powerful kinetic force when moving off. I think you are refereing to traditional automatic transmissions which are the expensive ones but are best in my experience. The main parts of an automatic transmission are the torque converter, planetary gearset, hydraulic controls, and the transmission fluid.
Your explanation was really good, every aspect was clear and easy to understand, and you have solved my confusion about DCTs because even i was suspecting the same heating issue on long drives in my VW Vento 1.2 DCT, whenever i asked the service technician he says oil change is required due to heating issues although its an European made car. I also own a old Mercedes Benz E-Class W112 which has a 9G-Tronic gearbox which is a torque converter and I have not faced any major issues with the engine till date. I personally feel that the Benz is much better even after 14 years.
you are right. DSGs are not the same anymore, companies have made them slow for obvious reasons but, that still doesn't mean that they are more reliable. VW love their DSG technology and they won't let go of it. BMW has ditched the DSG for good but seems like SKoda VAG group will go directly towards electric cars instead of offering reliable transmissions. I own a Taigun GT DSG and have the extended warranty because I know one day in the middle of delhi traffic the dsg will die LMAO. the cars are amazing, just get the extended warranty.
Bmw x1 launched with 7 speed dct🥲
@@farhankhatri4937 that's true. i mean of course there will be some exceptions. also it makes sense to put a DCT in a mass market daily driven car. better fuel efficiency. But on the other hand i dosen't make sense to buy a 50 lakh car (base petrol) with power less than a hyundai verna or VW virtus GT (APPROX 20 LAKH RUPEE)
Use manual mode in b2b traffic and shift to neutral at stops to avoid over heating
They don't have any affection for dct. VW have invested a lot of time and money into its development so simply drop them makes their money goes waste.
@@ajinkya.r.w1106I understand, but I would rather buy a torque converter, put it in drive and forget about it. Afterall what is the point in buying an AT car and driving on manual mode everytime you are in traffic. We are buying AT so that we dont have to shift gears in traffic!
I think, the way u explained the gear torque and RPM, u nailed it. BTW, I am an Implantologist and we use reduction handpieces while placing implants in jaws. I just love the animations used here to explain all of this torque and RPM thing. And yes, I love cars and tech as well 😊
I have been driving a manual car for the last 7 years. Looking at all these issues I might buy a manual for my next car as well. After driving for 7 years manual has kind of become 'automatic' for me. Great video, thank you.
People buy automatic due to heavy traffic where using a manual is a pain in the ass.
@@priyamtolani1480for driving in heavy traffic cvt is best
@@no22sillyes absolutely
I drive celerio AMT and honestly have been very happy with it. Recently crossed 130000/8 yrs. It has not given me any issues as of now. I get a mileage of 18 with ac in city drive and best of 22 on the highway so far.
Coz amt is not automatic transmission..it is auto gear shift..it has a internal clutch
I own a pair as said by you sir, a TC hatch for city use and a DSG suv for highways. Both r amazing. Knew DSG issues so bought warranty pack as well to be relaxed.
2017 Vento 1.2 TSI DSG. After 74000 Kms no major issues. Only once, that too recently, the gears got stuck because of a fuel filter issue. It indeed is a very complex machine and has its set of problems, but those millisecond gearshifts and the speeds that come with it are addictive😀
I havent come across any video which has explained auto transmission in this manner that too in Hindi. Very apt and precise explanation. Subscribed
Your videos are very informative. Keep that up! Proud subscriber since quite some time now...⭐
I have VW Ameo DSG and Skoda Karoq (only came with DSG), NO ISSUES. Using DSG since 6 years+, IDK I'm lucky or what, but that's my experience. It's super smooth, fast & fun to use and I recommend it to everyone!
don't know about exact timelines VW have slowed down their DSGs
Karoq has a wet clutch DSG. So, reliability wise, it's much better than the Ameo DSG(Dry clutch).
@@dilipmahanta7688 Karo uses dq 200
bro drives one of a rare cars in India 💀
Same here skoda superb 2017 147k kilometers done no problem at all with DSG
So far I’ve used and abused my GT tsi with the DSG for 40k km and with regular servicing, I never had issues and VW also provides a huge warranty too. It’s good if you know how to use DSG properly
agar tumhe problem nhi hui iska matlab yeh nhi k kisi ko nhi hui
@@supremeleader5516ya fir ye bolo ki DCT gearbox wali cars majority logon ko chalani aati hi nai coz unko turtle jese chalane ki aadat he like most of the Indians 😂
40k kilometers is nothing for a car, manuals can last for lakhs of kilometers
@@dibyanjannayak_9666 yes, from my personal experience, I don’t put the gearbox in Drive mode in bumper to bumper to bumper traffic. I put it in manual and 1st gear. That will make sure that the car doesn’t keep upshifting and downshifting between 1 and 2 constantly that saves a lot of clutch wear. When parking, don’t just hold the car in Park, also use the handbrake that way there is less stress on the clutch plates. You don’t have to put the car in park ever time you stop in traffic, just holding the brake and leaving it in drive is ok, too. It’s little things like that, which will prolong the life of the gearbox and also regular servicing will help. You need to think more to maintain a DSG compared to torque converter or manual but with little precautions, it’s the best gearbox you’ll ever experience, there is a reason why Porsches, Ferraris, Bugattis use DSG. It’s just amazing.
@@leansnscenes7806 40k and still counting.I intend to keep it for as long as possible. So far, no issues with the gearbox.
I've become addicted to your channel. Top work!
Gr8 content. A practical analysis with an engineering twist. Nice.
I'm using Skoda superb 2L DSG.. Working good since 2013..!
2012 Superb 2.0TDI owner here. Same here!
Onroad uss time kitne me li thi
It is always this way, more convenience to user, more complicated the system and vice versa. One thing for sure is that no system is 100% fit for free use or rough and tough. Although for business reasons they dont mention this on the car brochure, but it is clear in the owner's manual. We must read them and follow them to expect better results
Super informative bro. Kudos to you for educating Indian car buyers
Your videos are always packed with good information. Thanks for doing this regularly.
Can you please create a video about how to buy a car from lower segment mid segment, high segment and luxury segment.
That's actually an interesting topic
That’s a good topic but from what I understood from this channel is it’s main focus is on investigations of the cars world. For the topic which you are requesting I think mycarhelpline is much suited. Both these channels are good and they serve different purposes.
car buying is a personal decision bro,depends on your likes and preferences and also your area because of service centre proximity
I use Maruti Celerio AMT.
It never let me down. I took this car from Kolkata to Darjeeling, Pelling, Dooars, Ladhakh, Nainital, Munsiary and many other places.
Never faced any issue.
I drove more than thousand kilometres in 18 hrs with it, still no issue. On road very few cars overtake me, and many a time I kind of engaged in races and beat cars like Kia Seltos and i20. What I'm trying to say is that it responds pretty well.
People told me that you can't take to hills but I took it everywhere. While other cars got stuck in Ladakh and Uttarakhand, it never did.
It also gives me a millage of 24-25 km if I drive it at a constant speed of 70km/hr .
Go for AMT.
Probably seltos wasn't racing with you
@@manoja538 No, it was a race between Desire, I20 and Seltos.
By the way, what you are probably thinking is that Seltos has a distinct edge over Celerio in terms of acceleration and speed.
But in Indian highways many other things should be taken into consideration too.
It's about selecting right lane.
I drove a DSG powered Golf in Germany for the past 5 years and by far DSG is the best when it comes to driving pleasure. Thankfully i didnt have any issues in the ppast 5 years, now that ive sold it i am finding very hard to go to a torque converter or any other automatic 😢, might take aa chance again with DSG and try my luck !
Thank you for bringing such a knowledgeable videos ❤
i have a hyundai grand i10 tc automatic and its working flawlessly for the last 6 yrs,even the mileage is around 17 kmpl on highways.only thing is that u have to be light footed on gas .nice and apt video.
Out here in hills particularly in Sikkim , experienced driver always prefers manual transmission the reason being that you should control the vehicle and not vice versa, you should feel and understand what yr vehicle wants which leads to better control and manoeuvrability.
Automatic transmission vehicle's owner are looked upon as a noob or Female😂😂😂
Always enjoy yr Content... keep us entertained 🙏🙏🙏
same, even in Punjab mostly Kids and Female drive Automatic
good for you'll,in metro cities and bumper to bumper traffic,automatic is well respected,it frees your left arm and leg
Sir, your vlog on MT, AMT,IMT, DCT TORQUE CONVERTER variants is an exceptional knowledge, I took took test of Alroz XZA plus, DCT, while planning to buy car oF Tata brand, during test drive it lagged in traffic in
Initial accerlation in slip road, I questioned Tata rep., for lag, he answered it will take a few seconds to
speed up, told it is a 2021 model.
Now I have purchased Tata Tiago XT (O), Mannual Transmission, which is
performing fine with 4 star rating, which is an exceptional feature.
Your indepth knowledge, easier way to explain
Superb Bro ...
Hattsoff...
BMW's 8speed steptronic torque converter is more smoother in shifts if compared to the DCT of Mercedes (as I test drive both 330i gran limousine and AMG A35 back to back) but it isn't as smooth as the DSG in Audi A6.
Bro can u make a video on Topic Reliability
And cover about Global Reliability Index
And How they give these ratings
Based on tests or something else?
Dhamakedaar research bro!!! Kudos!
You are doing such an amazing job brother❤
I drive both manual(brezza) and dsg(slavia 1.5 style)
If God ever makes me worthy of harder working capacity, and makes me rich, I will still prefer manual
Ex muslim banega🤣....Lindu
Thanks & Gears technology is very well explained my dear friend. The most beautiful part of this video was complex functioning of different gears technology explained by visuals. Seems you have worked hard to create such videos.Carry on
I was not a R&D person from Auto & not active in this line anymore but my experience & observation is that reliability issues with any imported technology in India are very high due to unimaginable level of variables both natural & man made present in our market.
I have a Polo GT and yes there is always anxiety of DSG failure 😂
Don’t worry 👍👍👍
That's why *Manual* *Transmission* have seperate *Fan* base...❤️❤️💯💯
Absolutely true
I ride a TC Taigun highline..
Your video is really good .
Please keep up the good work 👍
O gosh, I just bought a VW Touran, two years ago. I am happy with the DSG compared to regular automatic. I hope I don’t have to replace them often.
Thanks for sharing your lovely analysis with lots of technical information.
My thoughts: We feel the rubberband effect in CVTs because our tax system doesn't allow a little better engine for these cars. Have been driving one of Honda's CVTs for more than 3 years and would place it at the top wrt its reliability and ease of drivability.
Same here - Honda city cvt works well
I’m using a VW with DCT, and love it. The only care I take is to put it in Neutral at signals. It’s basic common-sense, but still many don’t follow it.
I have seen people keeping in ‘D’ at signals, and then pressing on the breaks to keep it stopped. It will obviously create issues.
DSG is smart enough to disengage clutches while at red signal. Rest is just convenience of keeping break pressed or relax
Think about long term, it's a dry clutch unit. Maintain well ✌
@@thandermax I’m not sure of that. I agree that the ‘Auto Off/On’ function kicks in when the car is idling, however in the Indian traffic conditions, it can be irritating, so I prefer switching it off at times.
No dsg is not smart enough to disengage in traffic lights. It will still provide around 300 ma current to clutches while pressing brakes. Its always better to keep in neutral when the vehicle is not moving.
Really love your content and informative videos ❤❤
I don't understand why people are not subscribing to this channel...this is the most authentic car tech information channel in india
I have a DCT gearbox car and I simply love it. The ease and convenience it provides is awesome. Paddle shifters just makes the driving sweet and easy. I have driven it in mostly city traffic for almost 100000 kms now and it has never let me down. Finally I am getting another DCT car in a month or so
Which company DCT Transmission is yours car?
I own a kia sonet imt and what you said is somewhat true. The car does give jitters at 1st gear if it foes not get a smooth acceleration. But you cannot give up it's convenience in cities.
And the best part is it does not constrain me while accelerating in any way!!
Really heart touching,ground reality & enlightening content,
I am a prospective buyer & am super confused between VW dsg or tc, (or shall I take honda cvt in consideration too) if I'm planning to keep the car for 15-20 years(with not so regular & significantly low running) then what's my BEST bet tc,dsg or cvt ?
Please help.....
Thank you.
As always a Good Topic covered with in depth analysis....!!
If a performance oriented brand like BMW can totally get rid of DCTs in their full blown performance oriented cars then there isn't a mandate need to justify DCTs being the "best" gearbox for performance oriented cars.
Lol wheh did bmw got rid of DCT?
@@inline6-b586 All the updated/latest M cars that are currently in production like M2, M3/M4, M5, M8 etc are paired with ZF 8 Speed TC or some of them have an option for a 6 Speed Manual.
A lot depends on how you drive an automatic, it is essential that you move to neutral as soon as you stop but many people keep operating it in drive mode. DSGs get overheated due to these driving habits as well as driving aggressively in high traffic areas. Be gentle with accelerator and most issues with automatics are resolved. I have driven many automatics in West and India, this is my experience.
You are experienced brother, here ppl just think of “Kitna Deti hai” and tin ka dibba but still there is still problem with DSG which many ppl go through
Can you share some more examples of right driving habits with a DSG
@@gtmsddrtheva DSG is not meant for bumper-to-bumper traffic. It is best to avoid driving DSG in traffic of cities where CVT and Torque Convertor work best. But if you do, switch to N whenever the car is still. Even with my torque convertor AT, i switch to N on traffic lights or whenever the car is still for more than a few seconds. It protects the internal clutch of AT transmission. Aggressive driving and too much braking will over-engage the transmission so best to drive with a light foot. Also if you drive for long hours, try to take a break after every few hours. These things should be more than enough
@@abe4985 Thanks man. Much appreciated
Bhai accidentally I found your video, and now Im hooked to your channel ❤
superb video, highly informative. KUDOS!
No sunderdeep singh was harmed in this video
I drive AMT and am quite happy with it's performance.
With a light foot it works smoothly
Sir your content is very nice, I would suggest that you also add subtitles to your videos.
Your content is way better than other foreign channels.
But a video having subtitles can be watched in case audio option is not available to user. Thus giving english channels a edge(due to auto captions).
Thats the i am waiting for. Thank u man
I own all manual cars till date but the feeling of paddle shifters is amazing
Torque converters and CVTs work fine even though they are not performance oriented. But anything other than performance and DCT/DSG just goes crazy, especially in frickin bumper to bumper traffic.
Cvt are made for dumb people who see their car like a device. Worst reliability lol if you drive like maniac.
zabardast research and data. a quality channel on car tech. plz explain 4×4 technology also. i kne only u can do it best
First time I have understood all types of gearboxes. Thanks
Driving a manual is absolutely fun.❤
Sure……only on highways and when doing a drag race, the feeling of complete control of your car is amazing.
I love cars but I drive a car that is a 4 speed auto (torque converter) cause 80% I do bumper to bumper city drive I need the comfort and convenience also I don’t wanna hurt my left foot. Fuel economy doesn’t bother me as long as I can do 300+ km in one full tank in the city (highway it does 600-700km full tank) I’m happy with that.
@@soumenchakraborty2450 I live in mountains. Well automatic may give you comfort and it's easy to drive in mountains cause there are too much turns. And roads are not plain. Driving manual is a big task for new drivers in such areas. But still it has a feel. ❤️
Driving Wagonr AMT for the last 3 years, i am yet to feel the jerk...
Nice video please make a video on ECVT currently used in strong hybrid cars
I loved the Torque converter and the 1.6L engine in the 2010 Vento, it was so smooth. But the fuel economy was abyssmal. My dad's car gave between 8 and 10 kmpl. He still kept driving it for 13 years because it was so good to drive. We sold it last month, along with our beater car, a Kwid, to buy a new Renault Kiger. The AMT is clearly a downgrade. But I'm thinking of getting a used Polo with the same 1.6L engine and manual transmission. Only it is so hard to find one as they are rare and enthusiasts are snatching them up as soon as they appear in the used car market.
All time manual lover.. 😎
My celerio amt transmission work's fantastic 😊
Becz I’m using a Dsg polo 2016 built so yes this video did got my attention .... and I do agree that I’m bit worried when the gearbox will start to give away ..
बिल्कुल सही विश्लेषण और आपने मेरे दिल की बात कही।💎
मैं इंजीनियर हूं और मैं यही नतीजे पर पहुंचा हूं।
सब्सक्राइब कर दिया है।
मेरे पास i10 ग्रैंड ऑटोमेटिक है जिसमें टॉर्क कन्वर्टर है।
और यही एक कर भारत में है जिसमें छोटी कर में टॉर्क कन्वर्टर है।
😄
👌🏻👏🏻👏🏻👏🏻👏🏻👏🏻
मुझे कृपया बताइए कि मैं मारुति जिम्नी लू या ब्रेजा।
दोनों में भी टॉर्क कनवर्टर आता है।
Automatic drivers🍼
German makes complex technology meanwhile japanese make simple and reliable technology 😊😊😊
Leopard-2 Vs Type-10.
I am using DCT in i20 from 3 years. I did not get over heat issue so far on hills or traffic. Going smooth
Real men drive manuals, you feel connected to the car due to these mechanicals🤘
no
lol no
Amt.. nice informative video.. got to know lot about gear box technology
Nice and informative video. Want to hear your opinion about driving in manual mode(in dct equipped vehicle ) in start stop traffic conditions. Thanks in advance.
I am a proud owner of Ford Figo Aspire and Nissan Kicks Turbo, both of them come with manuals. Fun to drive, logical and practical also in our Country. I did try Volkswagen Polo GTI once, I liked it but somehow didn't convince me to buy it, maybe I am too old school for it. 😂
बहूत सरल तरीकेसे बात की हैं, धन्यवाद
Great video!! Just awesome 👏
Am using a manual hyundai i10 grand. 10 years old, driving smooth as silk,slik change while engaging gears, hence giving ultimate driving pleasure. Recently got my clutch replaced and it drives smooth as silk.
Also driving a new honda city cvt , its for relaxed highway driving, another smooth as silk drive, especially for highway and cruising.
Driving best of both worlds.
Very well explained, Please make a video on LST (Light Speed transmission) used by Koenigsegg and how it is interconvertible between 6-speed manual and 9-speed automatic.
Love ur videos...... Huge fan
great effort are used to make such kind of video, nice job sir
itne badhiya topics khojte kaise ho?? brilliant work.
I am using VW Vento DSG 1,2 TSI (Petrol) 2018 model. Touchwood! Doing ok so far....On one hand I am conscious about its risk and on the other, it's really fun to drive...Hope it lasts!
VW Polo GT TDI still works for me. I had one part replaced one injector for around 30K 2 years back and abs sensor couple of months, but still works good, it is still faster than most in the highways . i have parking space issue, so still not able to find good replacement for polo gt.
Thank you for the valuable information 👍
Knowledge toh sahi hai aap ka.
Amazing analysis. Hats off.
Was aware of all, but you did better explanation. This is good work
Hi you are a great person very big knowledge of a automobile industry
This was a really informative and balanced video. But the title is very misleading.
Another fact - DSGs tuned for India - specially the DQ200 is only powered down in the strating - something they call crawl function.
You are one of the top knowledgeable person who has real knowledge 😎😎
Great video,very informative